173: What is PLEASURE: Building An Embodied Self-Care Practice That Actually Works with Anne Hodder-Shipp and Sarah Tomchesson of S3X Plus

No, this isn’t another stereotypical “self-care” conversation — we don’t need any more of those. This is about PLEASURE: what it (actually) is, isn’t, and why it’s so freaking hard for so many of us to access it. 

In this conversation with Anne Hodder-Shipp and Sarah Tomchesson, S3X PLUS cofounders + facilitators of “Pleasure Attitudes: Building An Embodied Self-Care Practice That Really Works,” we’ll dive into:

  • Pleasure as a euphamism vs. pleasure beyond sexuality, and why these two can be so tough to separate for many of us
  • A take on burnout you probably haven’t heard before, and how pleasure fits into the mix
  • “Pleasure role models”
  • Hobbies and making friends as an adult
  • and SO MUCH MORE


Anne Hodder-Shipp, CSE (she/they) is an award-winning certified sex and relationship educator and coach dedicated to providing accurate, expansive, and compassionate care. They are the founder and lead educator at Everyone Deserves Sex Ed, a sex ed and professional development organization, and co-founder of S3X Plus, an online community that offers courses like Pleasure Attitudes: Building an Embodied Self-care Practice that Really Works. Anne works with people and couples to help build skills, knowledge, and confidence around identity, pleasure, relationships, and more. Most recently, Anne wrote the modern love language expansion, Speaking from the Heart: 18 Languages for Modern Love, and its accompanying guide, The Speaking from the Heart Workbook: A Practical Guide to the Modern Love Languages.

(Listen to Anne on the WANTcast! Episode 016 and Episode 152)


Sarah Tomchesson, C.S.E. (she/her) advocates for sexual liberation through her work as a sex educator, sex toy evangelist, and podcast host. Sarah has spent much of her career shaping legendary sex toy brands, including Pleasure Chest, Babeland, and, now, the iconic Magic Wand brand. She is a certified sexuality educator and has been developing, programming, and presenting pleasure-based sex education nationwide since 2007.  She is co-founder of S3X Plus, an online community of curious people exploring the intersections of pleasure and healing, and co-host of the weekly feminist podcast, F*ck Yeah, which aims to disrupt harmful ideas about sexuality, intimate relationships, identity, parenthood, and more. Sarah is proud mama to a vivacious 8-year-old and honored to act as Vice Chair of the Board of Directors of SIECUS – Sex Ed for Social Change, the nation’s leading sex education policy non-profit.



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Anne’s website: https://www.annehoddershipp.com

Anne on IG: https://www.instagram.com/theannehodder

Anne on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theannehodder

Sarah’s website: https://damianaproductions.com

Sarah on IG: https://www.instagram.com/sarahtomtomtom

F*ck Yeah Pod: www.fuckyeahpod.com

IG: @fuckyeahpod



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